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Post by swampercj on Feb 28, 2007 18:25:07 GMT -5
Well I finally ordered my new V nose trailer and got a great price $6600. loaded with all the bells and whistles! It's got 10K axles, 60 amp C/B panel set up for a generator with florecent light inside with 110 wall plugs (good for camping in), the V nose for less drag, E track tiedown system full length down the walls and down the floor with added tiedown plus I added another ft in height so the rear door is 7ft high by 8ft which will fit any of my Jeeps and it measures a true 84"inbetween the fenders so I can still squeeze in the Buggy! Pick it up in two weeks in GA about 3 hrs away. Heres the website of the factory but if your interested in one I ordered it off a company on e bay. www.frontiercargoinc.com/8524.html
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Post by FJ40Fran on Mar 1, 2007 1:45:22 GMT -5
Scott, Congrats!
I see they make those in a gooseneck version, are they much more expensive? That's what I'd like to have. Also, you mentioned 10k axles,, that is two 5.2k, right (like they show in the gooseneck version)?
What's your empty weight?
Fran
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Post by swanbeach21 on Mar 1, 2007 11:06:58 GMT -5
Thats a nice looking trailer. But what do you use it for...your occupation, or do you just have a lot of toys to carry around
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2007 11:55:54 GMT -5
Nice trailer! That's actually a great price on it too. Go ahead and make arrangements for a CDL test if you don't have one. 10K trailer = CDL in most places, if not all.
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Post by Chuck on Mar 1, 2007 14:00:00 GMT -5
Keith -- is that different from VA? My read of the VA law was that CDL is required for trailer GVW over 10k only if total rig GCW is 26,001 or greater, and that the law specifically exempts personal use anyway (i.e. tow rig for trail vehicle). I'd be interested in your (unofficial of course) take on that, since that seems to be a frequent topic of confusion in this state ... The specific bits of text I'm looking at are the definitions of "commercial motor vehicle" and the exceptions from 46.2-341.4. However, the code to me reads as contradicting itself on profit vs. personal use, so I'm not sure there -- section that's confusing to me and seems open to some interpretation is in italics. I'm also going by 46.2-341.16 for verification of vehicle weights. It looks to me like we'd be OK either way as long as we're not crossing state lines (since I'm sure the exceptions vary significantly by state) and there's no possible doubt that the rig is personal-use only. On top of that, it looks like even if that exception isn't "real", there's not a limit on towed weight without CDL as long as that 26k GCW isn't exceeded -- as in a 10k F-350 pulling 15k worth of gooseneck trailer with a couple rigs should be fine. What's your take on it? The actual implementation/enforcement on this one seems to be a little confusing to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2007 15:15:09 GMT -5
As someone pm'd me that very same question, I'll have to look in to it further, and get back with you. I was never under the impression there was an exception, but it's not a code I'm real familiar with either. So I might be jumping the gun there. But don't you think a gooseneck with two rigs and a loaded up F-350 would be 26,000#?
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Post by FJ40Fran on Mar 1, 2007 15:57:19 GMT -5
Seems we always run into sooo many questions about legalities, my thought is there is always something we can be written up for.
I tow all the time with my gooseneck often with two rigs on it. On a number of occasions Highway Patrol have pulled along side and hang there for a minute or two, obviously checking things out. I secure the load with grade 70 chain (visibly identifiable), my trailer state inspection sticker is clearly visible, and my F250 is registered as TRUCK (NOT as "passenger vehicle" with a GCVW of 7500 or less). Lastly, I always return a wave to the trooper as he passes on by.
Fran
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Post by toynrnd on Mar 1, 2007 16:45:12 GMT -5
My truck, Gary's trailer, Kenny's CJ5, my CJ7, and Noah's Powerwheels Jeep was 23K. It was plenty heavy for me.
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Post by swampercj on Mar 1, 2007 17:42:49 GMT -5
Well I figured if I was going to order a trailer why not order one that can hold all the camping stuff, all the spare Jeep parts and have a place to work when I break thats lighted with air tools, since I'll be mounting a Air compressor in the front. Here is the actual spot that I ordered the trailer from, they're the ones that hooked me up on the deal. I'm picking it up in Georgia sometime around the 16th. Yes I goofed when I said the axle size, it's two 5k axles for a gross of 10k, stores.ebay.com/The-Trailer-Spot
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Post by FJ40Fran on Mar 1, 2007 17:53:58 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it, have you mentioned the length? I'm assuming you'll be hauling one rig plus your mobile garage. That stuff gets heavy real fast! If so, the two 5K axles might barely be enough. Any chance you can upgrade to 6 or possibly the 7K slipper spring axles? That will give you the 8-lug trailer wheels and E-rated tires (of course you can put those tires on your 16 inch rims too)?
Fran
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Post by swampercj on Mar 1, 2007 17:59:39 GMT -5
The length is going to be 24ft, you don't think the 10k axles will be enough? That gives me 3k to play with a slight safety margin.
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Post by jeeepxj on Mar 1, 2007 21:13:37 GMT -5
I don't think the stress of the overweight issue is being seen correctly here. No matter what the law states, you can be given an overweight ticket if you exceed your registered weight and/or the manufactures gross vehicle/gross total vehicle weight. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here. There are several people here that take a chance (unlike Fran) and have their trucks registered without truck plates. If a trooper were to put his scales under your truck's axles, and it exceeds 7500lbs (no matter what your door jam says) he can give you an overweight ticket. I'm with Fran, keep your stickers updated and don't have "shady" dealings.. ie. tie-downs and loads on your trailer. With this and the kind wave back, you should be just fine. Right Mr. Russ Murphy?? Craig
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Post by toynrnd on Mar 1, 2007 21:23:49 GMT -5
What is the true empty weight of that trailer? My 18' all steel car trailer tipped the scales at 2280 lbs, WAY more than I thought it weighed. The CJ7 is 4300 lbs for a total of 6580 on a 7000 lb capacity trailer. I have upgraded the springs to 4000 lb capacity and the tires to a larger size and capacity. (The axles are still original, and I don't know if trailer capacity is derived from the springs or the axles) It seemed like I was going through trailer tires quickly hauling at 80% capacity. These new tires are doing much better hauling at 60% of their capacity. I think some trailer companies guess on the empty weight of their trailers. I'd go along with Fran on this and get the 7K axles and upgraded tires.
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Post by FJ40Fran on Mar 1, 2007 22:10:09 GMT -5
Another good option with heavier axles and 16 inch wheels is you can save your OEM E-rated tow truck tires for the trailer. Actually the average E-rated truck tire ends up being a little stronger than an E-rated trailer tire.
7K is about the max for a single wheel axle, it's all the tires will carry safely for a long distance.
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Post by 87B2XLT on Mar 2, 2007 8:55:06 GMT -5
Just a shot in the dark here, but if you put "heavier" springs on any axle, aren't you limited to the axle's design weight still? I would think you'd need spindles, bearings, and axle tubes, etc. rated for the heavier load as well. I have also seen trailers (both open and enclosed) that were under 30 ft. in length with three axles, vice two, which I'm guessing is for that very reason - weight capacity.
Also, with the tires -- trailer tires are rated for both weight and speed, which I don't think, for example, an ST205/75-14 tire is rated for more than 45-55 mph? I mean, you can put better wheels and tires on there and do whatever, I guess. I've just never really been too keen on overloading a trailer and/or towing at "highway speeds" (over 55 mph, especially). I'm thinking that on our move over here, our car transport was pushing the envelope on both weight and speed, which is why we blew a tire and nearly lost the entire load... and adjusted accordingly when we got the replacement transport.
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