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Post by toynrnd on Mar 2, 2007 9:36:45 GMT -5
Just a shot in the dark here, but if you put "heavier" springs on any axle, aren't you limited to the axle's design weight still? I would think you'd need spindles, bearings, and axle tubes, etc. rated for the heavier load as well. You are correct, my trailer is still limited by the axles - I didn't say it could carry more. When I bought my trailer, the The guy had been storing his '65 Mustang on it for a year. The front tongue jack was cranked all the way up to make the rain drain off. So the rear springs were flattened. I got 4000 lb springs vs 3500 lb springs just to beef up that part of the trailer since I had to replace the springs anyway and the cost difference was minimal. Trailer capacity is still 7000 lbs. After going through trailer tires with a load rating of 2025 lbs each, I upgraded to ones with a 2700 lb rating. Trailer capacity is still 7000 lbs, but certain replaceable parts are now working at much less percentage of their max capacity. Its kinda like when people upgrade stuff on their 4X4, you keep moving the weak link to something else. I guess my point to Scott was that I agree with Fran and would look into getting the larger capacity axles/tires because the weight adds up more quickly than you would imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 20:37:24 GMT -5
Ok, here's the law as written: You all who stated that there is an exception for personal use were correct. As long as it is personal/recreation use, you are ok. Just in case you are interested, here's the rest: A CDL is required if your rig has a gross combined WR of 26,001# and your trailer has a VWR of 10,000#. Which means you weigh both the truck and trailer together. So I guess the 1 ton trucks are ok, since I don't know of any F350 or 3500's that are over 26K. Not that it's really an issue, I'm mostly just curious, but I'd bet if you had 10,000 on a trailer, and had a truck full of gear, most people would be over the gross combined weight rating. As Fran said, just keep everything clean and tidy, and give a nice smile if you're being looked at. Last time I towed with my Exploder, I got a real dirty look from a Trooper, I just knew he was going to make me stop at the scale house. He looked things over real good, then sped off. I probably was over the GCVW with all my camping gear and everything.
One more thing since I'm on this topic, which is off the original topic I guess, sorry. A lot of people will register their rig at a higher GVRW than what is assigned by the manufacturer in order to be able to lift their truck higher. It doesn't work like that, you can register a car as a CMV if you want to, but it's GVWR will always be the same.
Anyway, still nice trailer Scott! ;D
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Post by swampercj on Mar 2, 2007 21:57:27 GMT -5
Well Fran and I have been discussing off line about a few things. The total trailer weight with the Wrangler inside will be right around 8200lbs which will still give me at least another 2K before I hit the make weight of the axles, for a grand toatal of 10K. Fran know right now I'm carring about another 1k in tools and parts to every run which leaves me with a 1k safety margin or possible additions. I've also learned that in the parst if your trailer is equiped with radials you will soon blow them. Bias ply is in my opionion the only way to go. Now I'm not worried about legalities, since my truck is registered as a truck and I keep my city sticker up to date...never got the trailer inspected and won't, since I'm down here in Alabama. Non the less I can see a very big plus in the second axle upgrade if they offer it in my trailer. Thank for the info Fran! BTW Chris if I can make the annual run do I get to run free:) Scott
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Post by toynrnd on Mar 3, 2007 7:22:34 GMT -5
BTW Chris if I can make the annual run do I get to run free:) Run free, like no money? Or run free, like naked out in a field? Please clarify.
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Post by A "CJ" on Mar 3, 2007 20:44:54 GMT -5
So I could really be in a pickle from what I have been reading. The 32 foot Kaufman weight is 4K and a carry capacity of 14k with 7k axles and with 8 lug 16" wheels. Now towing with a 2500 HD Chevy I would imagine my GVW is right close to what your saying.
My question is a Craig pointed out, our truck doesn't have truck plates on it. Is this something that is required?
tim
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Post by jeeepxj on Mar 3, 2007 22:55:23 GMT -5
My question is a Craig pointed out, our truck doesn't have truck plates on it. Is this something that is required? tim Hey Keith, correct if I'm wrong, but... If you register your truck for regular plates (up to 7500lbs), you can't legally exceed the "registered" weight, right? No matter what your door jamb says the manufacture rates it at. I was told this by the state trooper that gave me my VIN for my homemade trailer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2007 23:17:32 GMT -5
Technically DMV shouldn't have allowed you to register a 3/4 ton with regular plates. But some slip by. They should have truck tags. And to answer both of your questions, if you don't have the truck tags, then you cannot exceed the regular passenger vehicle weight (which is 7500# I believe. I can look it up to confirm if needed), no matter what the door jamb states. Then to make it even more confusing, a lot of times DMV will give you a regular passenger vehicle plate for your 3/4 ton truck, but charge you correctly for the truck tags. Which is ok as long as your registration card says 7501 on it.
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Post by swampercj on Mar 3, 2007 23:48:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure if thats right...the 7500 is the combined load of the truck and what it's hauling in the bed, not what its towing! Thats what DMV told me. They were going to allow my tuck to get regular tags if it weighted less than 7k.
Well I upgraded the axles to 6k axles with a torsion suspension and 16 inch E radials, cost another $250 but figured it would be worth it since I know I'll be hauling heavy with it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2007 0:09:19 GMT -5
Yes Scott, that is correct, the tags have nothing to do with what the rig is towing. I think the other guy was commenting on exceeding his GCVW with a trailer. What I was stating was that 3/4 ton trucks I believe have a GVWR of more than 7201, which means it needs a truck tag. Even if you never plan on hauling anything ever, the vehicle is supposed to be registered for what it is capable of.
GVWR=weight of truck and it's cargo. GCVW=weight of truck, cargo, and trailer.
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Post by toynrnd on Mar 4, 2007 8:14:00 GMT -5
Well I upgraded the axles to 6k axles with a torsion suspension and 16 inch E radials, cost another $250 but figured it would be worth it since I know I'll be hauling heavy with it I'm glad we got to help your spend YOUR money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2007 10:40:32 GMT -5
LOL, that was a good move, just going to the E tires was a great decision.
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Post by swampercj on Mar 4, 2007 15:12:02 GMT -5
[quote author=toynrnd board=tow thread=I'm glad we got to help your spend YOUR money. [/quote] Now will you gladly help me pay for it? I still think its anawesome deal!
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Post by CORE 4WD on Mar 4, 2007 21:45:35 GMT -5
BTW Chris if I can make the annual run do I get to run free:) Run free, like no money? Or run free, like naked out in a field? Please clarify. Now THAT almost made me fall out of the chair! Leave it to C.B to bust one out of left field!! Great trailer Scott. Now all you need is a custom team paint job!! Saweet!
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Post by 87B2XLT on Mar 4, 2007 21:51:57 GMT -5
I was just going to leave that one alone.... although, I think what was meant was, "Can I come to the annual run and not pay?"... but that's just me. I knew somehow, though, it would get that kind of response... I have no idea why ;D
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Post by FJ40Fran on Mar 4, 2007 22:31:03 GMT -5
Scott, glad to hear you were able to make those upgrades. I think you'll be glad you did.
Send pics when you pick it up.
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