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Post by 4WDnRocksNmud on Nov 20, 2006 8:20:01 GMT -5
Lookin' good so far. My only suggestion is ditch the Ford TFI ignition, or do a remote module locate modification to the distributor. The module tends to heat up and go kaput. Of course, if you're going with Ford OEM fuel injection... then you're kinda stuck. You could always go aftermarket all the way ;D Good to see someone daring to be different and going with a Ford engine vice Chevy!  Cory, the engine is sitting on the floor in my way. I think someone has spoken for the AFI set up, but the engine and all I'll unload cheap. I also have a HEI distributor for it and a Powermaster (fits 304's too) starter if anyone is interested. just let me know keith, especially if the person wanting the AFI doesn't speak up. I'll take it all I reckon. Should be near end of SPD app process again by that point too, so $$ shouldn't be a problem.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 10:01:04 GMT -5
Dave, this week isn't really very good for me. A night this weekend after 3:00 or anytime Mon or Tues is good. Just let me know. And I'm having some yard bird here, nothing big, just the neighbors and Cheryl's mom and dad, but there will be plenty and you are welcome. So is anyone else for that matter.
And 87B2, I take no offense to your input and suggestion. I was just surprised to hear of any problems. And I may stand corrected, I'll research it and maybe find out I'm just one of the lucky ones.
I'll post some more pics later. I ran in to one snag yesterday when putting the roller rocker arms on. I seem to be missing one of the pedestals, it must have fallen out of the box during a move or something. Hopefully the maker will sell me just one.
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Post by Chuck on Nov 20, 2006 12:17:40 GMT -5
Lookin' good!
On the TFI module issue -- yes, they do burn up, but some people seem to have more problems with them than others. I'm on my original distributor-mounted TFI modules on the Mustang (180k) and Bronco (130k) ... knock on wood. Then again, I also know other Bronco guys on their third or fourth. I've had equally good luck with Duraspark, and known of just as many problems with the Duraspark modules, too ... though a few were probably caused by running higher-powered coils. The Duraspark modules fare very badly with an upgraded ignition.
The solution to the TFI reliability problem is to always keep a spare module and a TFI wrench in the glove box. Takes five minutes and no tool other than the TFI wrench to replace. Problem solved. ;D
I'd love to have been there for the 302 swap, but I was busting butt all last weekend getting those doors painted so I could get 'em on this weekend. I'm actually glad it's Monday so I can sit in my chair at work and take a break. ;D
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Post by 87B2XLT on Nov 20, 2006 21:15:49 GMT -5
No worries, Keith. I've just been in and around Fords (and others, but mostly the big 3) most of my natural born life and probably have seen or experienced most of the nasty flaws, or have read / researched them. The big issue with the distributor-mounted TFI coils is they get heat from both the engine block to distributor casing heat transfer -and- the airflow through the radiator. The most common "fix" I have read about for a fuel-injected TFI setup is to remove the module from the distributor and remotely locate it where it has good airflow and on a very good heatsink and with plenty of heatsink grease. The pre-FI TFI fix was to remove the TFI distributor and put in a Duraspark distributor and either a BLUE*-grommet Duraspark box (found one of the Duraspark mod pages) or use a 4 or 5-pin GM HEI module to fire the coil... or Duraspark with a TFI coil or even an MSD box. It is always a good thing for either of those Ford ignitions to keep a spare module on hand, just in case they die on you. Me too, Chuck, but I ended up having to do other things here at the house.... nothing to do with my project or any other vehicle  I guess I'll have to check out some of the local junkyards for some springs so hopefully I don't have to spend -as much- money for now. |
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Post by jeeepxj on Nov 20, 2006 21:25:19 GMT -5
Hey Keith, how much do you want for the 258?
Craig
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2006 23:09:01 GMT -5
Hey Keith, how much do you want for the 258? Craig I really don't know what to ask for it! It'll be complete minus distributor, starter, alternator and power steering pump (If I can reuse it, not sure yet). The starter and distributor are worth more than the motor I think. Has a pretty new exhaust manifold. And if needed it has a clutch/pilot bushing/bellhousing set up for using an NP-435. $150?  Make an offer if it's too much...the wife isn't happy with me cause she can't park in the garage anymore. |
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Post by Chuck on Nov 22, 2006 11:52:58 GMT -5
Yup, she was talking here yesterday about some cast iron piece or another she was tripping over out there in the garage. No idea what that could be. ;D Keith -- are you staying V belt with the new setup? If so you should look for the early 80's truck factory driver's side bracket for a truck with A/C. Some of the late 70's and I think early 80's trucks came with York compressors stock. I see 'em all the time down at PnP, and engine brackets there are only a few bucks ($5-10 if I recall). Also, if you get the passenger side bracket from a mid-80's F-250HD or F-350 (I know 85 works because that's what JB has, you might be able to talk him out of his), it was designed for dual smog pumps, and the same bracket can be easily used with V belts to mount dual alternators.  Ford actually moved the TFI modules themselves in the later vehicles ... by the mid 90's or so, they're all mounted on a heat sink on the driver's side fender, back next to the master cylinder. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 12:24:29 GMT -5
Yup, she was talking here yesterday about some cast iron piece or another she was tripping over out there in the garage. No idea what that could be. ;D Keith -- are you staying V belt with the new setup? If so you should look for the early 80's truck factory driver's side bracket for a truck with A/C. Some of the late 70's and I think early 80's trucks came with York compressors stock. I see 'em all the time down at PnP, and engine brackets there are only a few bucks ($5-10 if I recall). Also, if you get the passenger side bracket from a mid-80's F-250HD or F-350 (I know 85 works because that's what JB has, you might be able to talk him out of his), it was designed for dual smog pumps, and the same bracket can be easily used with V belts to mount dual alternators. Ford actually moved the TFI modules themselves in the later vehicles ... by the mid 90's or so, they're all mounted on a heat sink on the driver's side fender, back next to the master cylinder. Nope, staying with the serpentine/reverse water pump set up. The alternator was no problem, just changed the pulley and added a spacer to the mounting bracket. I found on pirate someone said the ps pump and bracket will work from a ford van, already set up for the serpentine. I also found a bracket March makes that allows a saginaw pump to mount to a FSB. I may do that and just get a new pump. I'm tired of talking about the TFI module now, but you're right now that I think about it, on the 94-95 Stangs, it was remote mounted. |
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Post by 87B2XLT on Nov 22, 2006 15:32:24 GMT -5
I win!! Kidding. I believe it was '97 or '98 (or maybe later) when they replaced the TFI with DIS/EDIS? I forget. Yeah, I would go with a "stock" Ford pump and bracket that will fit the engine and belt setup. I'm not a big fan of serpentine belts, though... but at least you generally have one tensioner to deal with instead of three... just re-threading the belt through the gamut of pulleys can suck... but that's just my $0.02. Can't wait to see (and hear) the finished project, though! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 18:59:20 GMT -5
I believe I will go with a stock Ford pump and bracket. I priced the bracket at $116 and a saginaw isn't cheap either. Plus I have a Ford pump and bracket already so I'll give it a shot, hopefully the pump will keep up. As for the serpentine, I will only have the alt and ps pump, and I won't be using an automatic tensioner. I've got this trick alt bracket that uses a turnbuckle to set the belt tension. It might be longer than I thought to get it done...I've found I'm going to have to get some F-150 headers to clear...that will probably be a X-mas item, along with a new clutch. Oh well.
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Post by 87B2XLT on Nov 22, 2006 19:29:05 GMT -5
That works, Keith. The automatic tensioners end up junking out or eating the bearings, or so I've seen before. A stock Ford truck PS pump should do the trick. Gotta love that whole "time and money" thing, I know it all TOO well. That's why I'm doing the "for now" junk here shortly and then the real $$$ is going to go into the axle swap(s), suspension, steelies and tires. If you need a helping hand, let me know.
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Post by BESRK on Nov 23, 2006 18:59:13 GMT -5
Looking good Keith.. nothing like the sound of a healthy V8.. makes me want to go outside and fire mine up right now... maybe rev it up a few times for the neighbors ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2006 22:31:18 GMT -5
LOL! I'll be doing that prior to taking it to the exhaust shop. I wonder how they'll feel about the open headers when I take it for it's test drive?
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Post by Chuck on Nov 27, 2006 11:46:01 GMT -5
No way I'd pay $100+ for an aftermarket bracket for the Saginaw pump, when you can get one for $10 or so off of any late 80's, early 90's Ford van. All the vans used the Saginaw pump, and it's a serpentine bracket. ;D
Most stock versions of the bracket will fit either the 302 or 351W (has two different holes for the water pump stud at the bottom depending on application). This is what I have on the Bronco right now, though I just looked and don't have a pic handy. Very cheap and easy to find, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2006 16:19:52 GMT -5
Chuck, do you think PNP has any? I just can't find the time to get out there right now. I'd rather do that setup if I can find one witha 302 in it.
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Make an offer if it's too much...the wife isn't happy with me cause she can't park in the garage anymore.
