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Post by Chele on Dec 9, 2006 8:51:31 GMT -5
Y'all have been busy these last couple of days!!!!
You'll be done in no time (knock on wood)
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Post by Chuck on Dec 9, 2006 9:42:29 GMT -5
Glad to see you've got your bracket! Lookin' good on the rest of the work, too. Seeing the guts of the NP always makes me laugh at the T-5. ;D
Dave G, the NP-435 and T-18 are very similar in design, size, and appearance, but they aren't related at all. Both are iron case, granny low, four speed Ford trannies with a right side PTO. They're from different manufacturers, though. The T-18 is a Borg Warner, and the NP is (this one's hard) a New Process Gear unit. ;D The NP has a little deeper first gear (around 6.7 vs. 6.3 or so -- I'm not sure on the 6.3). They're also a lot more common in Ford four wheel drives.
Quick way to tell them apart -- if the unit's clean enough, the NP has a round New Process logo cast on the right side, a little over halfway up. If the unit has reverse gear over to the right and up instead of down, it's a pre-83 or so T-18 (they changed the reverse arrangement around that year). Otherwise, unless you've seen a lot of 'em, the only fast, reliable way to tell is with a magnet. The T-18 has a cast iron top cover, the NP-435 is cast aluminum.
As for the bellhousings -- the T-5 has one bellhousing-to-tranny pattern, and I believe the T-56 uses a different pattern. I don't believe they ever put the T-5 behind the 2.8/2.9/4.0 family, all the V-6 stangs through 04 use the 3.8L/4.2L family V6 instead, but the current Mustang uses the 4.0. I know the NP-435 and T-18 use the same bellhousing, and that that pattern is different from the T-5. However, I think it's the same as the TOD (Toploader Overdrive), so if you can find a variant of the Toploader light duty four speed that bolts to that family of V6, you'd probably be good to go. You should have the Toyo-Kogio in your BII if I'm not mistaken ...
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Post by 87B2XLT on Dec 9, 2006 10:05:48 GMT -5
Chuck, I'll have to verify... not sure if mine is the T-K (Mitsubishi?) or the Mazda / FoMoCo FM-145/6 or what. And, on the T-18s, you actually have several variants, unless I'm mistaken: Reverse to left and up, left and down, right and up, right and down.... unless I'm mistaking some of this info with Chevy stuff. I do remember right and up/down and left and up, if I'm not losing my mind! As far as 'stang V-6s, you had the 2.6/2.8 in the IIs in the 70s (and maybe early 80s?) and I think somewhere in there, maybe more recent like you said, the 4.0s as well as the 3.8/4.2 in the 90s. I believe all of the 5-speed mustangs were T-5/56s regardless of engine. I'm sure worst case scenario, either a fabbed adapter or advanced adapters has something! Anyhow, here we go again... time to [/hijack]  |
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Post by CORE 4WD on Dec 9, 2006 10:23:30 GMT -5
NP435 is 6.69 first gear FYI...
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Post by Chuck on Dec 9, 2006 12:08:06 GMT -5
...I believe all of the 5-speed mustangs were T-5/56s regardless of engine. I'm sure worst case scenario, either a fabbed adapter or advanced adapters has something! Anyhow, here we go again... time to [/hijack] Not completely a hijack on this one, since Ford bellhousing info is at least halfway on-topic, I think. The 5.0L mustangs were T-5 through the last year of the 5.0 in 95. The 2.3L was also T-5. The 4.6L mustangs are all Tremec T-45's, with the exception of the 4.6L DOHC Cobras with the T-56 (and only in 03-04). I believe the 3.8L V6 Mustangs from 94-04 all kept the T-5 ... I'm mostly certain the Ford T-18's were all reverse on the right, the only difference being up or down depending on that year split. The T-98, which is very similar to the T-18 and preceded it, had the same up-and-right shift pattern if I'm not mistaken. The 98 to 18 redesign was somewhere around mid sixties to early 70's. Oh, and Toyo-Kogyo is Mazda, their vehicles got the Mazda name in the early to mid 30's ... and they formally changed the name of the company to Mazda in '84. Cool, huh? |
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Post by 87B2XLT on Dec 9, 2006 12:43:24 GMT -5
I couldn't remember about the Mazda / Mitsubishi / FM-145 & 146 on Rangers / BIIs. I just know all of them are fairly interchangeable for my rig, as well as the correct bellhousing-fitted C-3, C-4, C-5, A4LD. Not sure if the M-5OD(?) newer 5-speed sticks are useable, though, unless it's from a 4.0L V-6. I must've had the T-18 and -98 confused a little as well. I do remember some of the granny trannys that had an up and left reverse, though, if I'm not mistaken. I think that I remember one my buddy Alvin had swapped into a early-to-mid-70s F100/F150. I could be mistaken, though! And yeah, maybe not so off-topic, either... just a small tangent off and to the right or left ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 15:48:22 GMT -5
Ok guys your killin me now!  ;D just kidding. I don't think the toploader bellhousing is the same as t18 or 435. The bp might be the same, but the depth is different I believe. Anyway, novakconversions.com has all the info on those usually. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 16:23:12 GMT -5
On a similar note Keith, I think Biscuitville has the best biscuits in all of North Carolina. (On a personal note....Fellers is back!)
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Post by CORE 4WD on Dec 21, 2006 19:40:30 GMT -5
Pics added to top 21Dec06...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2006 21:20:20 GMT -5
On a similar note Keith, I think Biscuitville has the best biscuits in all of North Carolina. (On a personal note....Fellers is back!) Yea! And hopefully be back to help out at work soon too! It's gonna be neat to watch her kick someone's a** . That looks great Dave! Thanks! Now my shovel is gone, maybe I can slide over a few rocks instead of hanging on them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2006 22:19:49 GMT -5
I haven't had much time to work on my project, but today I got a good bit done. My wife's Christmas present to me was to leave for the weekend so I can get it done! ;D But if she asks, I miss her dearly.  It may not look like it, but I did all the wiring and many other things. I got the fuel pump all hooked up, oil system primed, headers on, and all the sensor hooked up to the harness. It should be running tomorrow. Still won't be able to drive it though until I figure out a way to mount the clutch linkage. Here's a few pics:  I finally got the power steering pump mounted. It's real tight to the steering shaft, but I don't think the engine will be moving much with the mounts I have.  New rear driveshaft that Craft in Newport News made up for me. I was just going to have my old one lengthened, but it wasn't much more to have a new one made. I'll just sell the old one. Craft is really great, it was only $250 out the door. Said he wants to get something set up with the club.  These next two are of the bellhousing, I told Chuck I'd post them. I was going to do a hydraulic clutch, but the bellhousing I have doesn't have the mounting points for an external slave cylinder. If I have to fab something up anyway, might as well just use what I've got.    |
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Post by 87B2XLT on Dec 29, 2006 23:48:17 GMT -5
Lookin' pretty good so far, Keith! Yeah... speaking of driveshafts... I'll probably need some made up after I do my axle swap and I know of a few places that were posted in another thread elsewhere, but that's cool that there's a place that wants to be a "sponsor" of sorts. Are you going to go with dual exhaust for that nice purty Blue Oval engine or what? The only way I'd ever get true duals on my junk is to run open manifolds... since the front prop shaft and t-case are in the way and I'd rather not do one of those hokey y-pipe, single collector to single inlet dual outlet muffler jobs... not that I need a new exhaust yet anyhow. I am considering having a custom y-pipe made with a single 2 1/2" collector to bolt the hi-flow cat I have in to and then modify the previously-installed cat-back... all of which would help with other mods. Anyhow, can't wait to see the finished product!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2006 9:00:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure yet on the exhaust. After I clocked the t-case up, there doesn't appear to be enough room to run a pipe down the passenger side, especially since the fuel lines run there. I think they'd get awful hot. I'll just have to see if my exhaust guy can work some magic there. If not, I'll just run a y-pipe. But even with a y-pipe, it's going to be exposed where it would cross over under the bellhousing. If I go with a 2 into 1, I'll probably do a 2 1/4" Y to a 3" single.
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Post by Chele on Dec 30, 2006 9:58:13 GMT -5
My wife's Christmas present to me was to leave for the weekend so I can get it done! ;D But if she asks, I miss her dearly. That's funny Keith....I won't tell... Good progress though!!! |
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Post by 87B2XLT on Dec 30, 2006 10:17:48 GMT -5
Your exhaust guy could probably fab up a custom Y-pipe like I've seen posted for OEM Jeep/AMC V-8s and actually dump into a 2 1/2" collector. I think someone posted something on here about that? I forget. I sort of figured there would be either a clearance issue or otherwise that would more than likely necessitate a y-pipe into a single exhaust. You should be okay if it's set up with at least a single 2 1/2" outlet into a hi-flow cat and flowmaster or similar with 2 1/2" piping throughout. The key would be making the smooth transition where both header / exhaust manifold downpipes come into a single collector. FOUND IT! Was on 4x4wire.com: www.4x4wire.com/tech/josh4x4/exhaust/ . I believe it's a 3" exhaust, and that setup looks pretty awesome. You could probably e-mail the guy (dreampipe@yahoo.com, I think?) and see if he can make you a Y-pipe for your application or have your exhaust guy try his hand at it. |
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It may not look like it, but I did all the wiring and many other things. I got the fuel pump all hooked up, oil system primed, headers on, and all the sensor hooked up to the harness. It should be running tomorrow. Still won't be able to drive it though until I figure out a way to mount the clutch linkage. Here's a few pics: